Is it possible to know who now carries Israelite ancestry? And does it matter?

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RABBI NEAL SURASKY answers ...

Although there are tests now that are available to genetically determine who is a descendant of Aaron, that is, the line of priests, and they are currently developing a test to determine who is a direct descendant of Levi, there is no completely accurate way to determine who carries Isralite ancestry. The Scriptures say that the Israelites were scattered to the four corners of the earth. There are Jews, known or unknown, in every culture. The bigger question is the second question.

The question of whether it matters is largely subjective. However, I would caution those who strive to learn their genetic origin to really do some introspection as to why they want to know. The question to ask is, "How will this change the way I live my life right now?" If it really won't change the way you live your life, then the answer really doesn't matter. If it means that all of a sudden you are going to begin doing something, or some things, that you have never done before, additional questions must be asked.

In terms of God, He knows who are the physical descendants of Israel. However, He sent His Son so that His relationship with mankind would not be dependant upon the physical descent as much as the spiritual. That is why we can say that we are "one new man" in Messiah.

RABBI CRAWFORD answers ...

Somewhat- yes we can have a general idea of who are in the tribes. Does it matter? No- G-d knows who each person is and which tribe he belongs to. The Jewish people are the chosen people as they would keep the commandments of G-d through the ages. According to Romans we can be grafter in if we aren’t Jewish via bloodline. Also, according to the story of Ruth and Boaz and Naomi, we don’t have to be bloodline to be among the chosen. We can choose to be chosen. Some good materials to read on where the tribes overall went were written by Herbert Armstrong. While I have never belonged to that denomination, I believe he had some very good books.

SANDRA JEFFERY answers ...

The Palestinians and Israelis common heritage is now a matter of scientific proof, as a study done of DNA of male Jews and Middle Eastern Arabs – among them Syrians, Palestinians, and Lebanese, shows that they share a common set of ancestors (pg. 128, National Geographic, December 2001). Seeing as the word Israel means a group regarded as chosen by God, or descendants of Israel (Jacob) by righteousness, we can also look at Job, who was a righteous Arab for example, not an Israelite, who was the greatest of all the men of the east and a follower of Almighty God. He kept himself clean from immorality, greedy materialism, and idolatry, and he was generous to the poor and needy. Job 31: 9 – 28. Through the prophet Ezekiel, God pointed to Job as an example of righteousness Ezekiel 14: 14, 20. All that follow God’s righteousness are Abraham’s children, grafted in regardless of ancestry.

So, does it matter? Not in my understanding of scripture. All Christians can trace their spiritual lineage from Jesus to Abraham, and yet while many people value themselves on their first birth, and its privileges, God tells us in His Kingdom, we are all equal in His eyes no matter who or what our forefathers were or believed.

RABBI GUTMANN answers ...

The short answer to the second question is no, it doesn't matter. What matters is for a person to be in right relationship with the "Saviour of the World" Jesus, Who is also Yeshua HaMashiach. And if a person has experienced the new birth, as a member of His Body, they are engrafted into the Olive Vine which is Israel (Romans 11:17ff). As for theories of the "ten lost tribes," let it not be forgotten that latterly Simeon and Benjamin were part of Judah's portion, and of course the Levites would be present. 2 Chronicles 34:9 suggests Ephraim and Manasseh had a remnant which may well have been represented in Judae and Galilee of the time of Yeshua's earthly Ministry. Other tribes may likewise have come from the Assyrian exile to settle, not in Samaria, with its syncretistic faith, but in Judea and Galilee.

MOSHE COHEN answers ...

We often hear of people looking for Jewish ancestry by having their DNA checked and the like. There are many ways of knowing Jewish ancestry, from family names, country or region of birth, and more. We should understand though that many Messianic believers take the view that once a person is a believer in Yeshua (Jesus), he or she is a new creation, neither Jew or Gentile, as explained by Sha'ul (Paul) in his letters. In the practical sense, there must be millions of people who have some Jewish blood in them, as Jews have intermarried all over the earth for thousands of years. It is interesting that when Israel became a nation in 1948, many Jews wanted to come and live in the Land. The leaders of the day debated for years of who was Jewish, and eventually had to fall back to the Nazi definition, i.e. if your grandparents are Jewish, or of course your parents, then you are. Many also accept that if your mother is Jewish, then you are too. This is important, mainly, in my humble opinion, in the sense that Jews have a greater responsibility to share the Living G-d with the world, and Word of G-d, the Torah, to the nations. The whole thrust of the Bible is clear. Where or from what nation you are born from is just your starting point. What is important is being adopted into the commonwealth of Israel by accepting the Jewish Messiah, then you are a true member of the nation of Israel. Then your ethnic birth is not important, only your new birth.

RABBI JOSEPH KRESEFSKY answers ...

Yes and No - DNA Testing is one source – however, DNA testing can only determine Levitical and Cohen line. Friends and family members have done it, and it has come back showing a multitude of nations – and within these are Jewish indicators. Now, as to whether it matters...no, it does not. Yes, there is an end time purpose for the Israelite nations; however, as Rav Sha’ul states… Romans 10:12 – “That means that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - ADONAI is the same for everyone, rich toward everyone who calls on Him..”

Jewish Ancestors

On this question I can only relate to my own family tree.
Before I do however, I would declare that when one has been "Born again" we are a new and separate creation. Christ is the key to this renewal. As others have already stated. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in this new creation. We are collectively called "The Church" an unknown entity in the old writings and a "mystery" hid till the latter times or till after the Christ of God had come, according to the scriptures. Died and was raised again, according to the scriptures and is seated at the right hand of the Father, again according to the scriptures.
I live in New Zealand. My family lines go back to English, Scottish and Spanish folk yet when I look at the written records I can find regarding those ancestors, I can find a common thread that would indicate a connection to the tribe of Simeon. Over seven generations the name "Simeon" is used in every record either as a first name or a second name. My father had Simeon for his second name and one of my son's has the same. My eldest son was only named thus because of the connection with my father and before I had done any research on the matter. There was one small thing that my father did however and that was the custom of "evening and morning" prayer in the household. He never told us why this should be so and perhaps he did not know himself of the origins. He was born again as was his father and his fathers before him. Rationally on this evidence I can only assume that there is indeed a line that goes back through history to a time of the “tribes” of God’s chosen people.
The most important matter, however, is the fact that through all those generations there is a continuing family dependence on the shed blood of Christ for our individual salvation that has also flowed over into the family. That is what my children and their children have now inherited.
This is what I glory in. That the Word of God is sure, to save from generation to generation and that my children can worship a living God as their forfathers have done.
I praise God for my fathers faithfullness
Shalom:
Rod

Herbert w Armstrong

'Rabbi' Crawford should be aware that Herbert W Armstrong was a false prophet and self proclaimed 'apostle'. He taught 'British Israelism'-ie that the British and American 'people' were biblical Ephraim and Manasseh. This is linguistic,historical,archaeological and genetic nonsense. He also claimed to be a direct descendant of King David and to be able to heal by means of anointed cloths. His booklet '1975 in Prophecy' can still be tracked down online and is sought out by admirers of the illustrator Basil Wolverton-not for its prophetic accuracy.

Correct, it does not matter, But the reason is Romans 2:28, etc.

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is circumcision that which is done outwardly in the flesh;Romans 2:29 but he [is] a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit [and] not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what; we worship what we know, for salvation is of the Jews.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy tribulation and thy poverty; but thou art rich; and the railing of those who say that they themselves are Jews, and are not, but a synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I make them of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews, and are not, but lie; behold, I will cause that they shall come and shall do homage before thy feet, and shall know that *I* have loved thee.

We should be able to see two principles in these scriptures, first, God doesn't consider people Jews because of their birth, blood or flesh. Second, we should be able to see that God thinks it is good to be a Jew.

I'm sorry if people don't get this, I don't know how to make it any more clear. All scripture must be fulfilled including, 'there will be no canaanite in the House of the Lord.

Ron Cash

What about the Levites?

While I absolutely agree with the fact that being a tiny drop of Jewish blood doesn't create relationship and having no bit of it doesn't make you less lovable to Hashem, how does one answer to the Levites who alone were instructed in the priesthood and alone carried the burden of certain things for Israel?

The Levites - Priests

Is G_d not all knowing that we should not concern ourselves with such things.

Deuteronomy 29:29 - "The secret [things belong] unto the
Lord our G_d: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law."

And is He not also the one who chooses who will serve Him and in what capacity.

Revelation 5:9&10 - "They sang a new hymn: "Worthy are you to receive the scroll and to break open its seals, for you were slain and with your blood you purchased for God those from every tribe and tongue, people and nation. You made them a kingdom and priests for our God, and they will reign on earth."

During the Millennial reign, there is but one Priest - one Prince - Y’shua ha Mashiach – G_d has assigned the priestly function to Him. This is why, looking towards the future, I do not believe that it really matters – nor do I believe that this is a concern for us – this is one of those that I am sure G_d Himself has already worked-out.

Ezeiel 45:17 - "It shall be the duty of the prince to provide the holocausts, cereal offerings, and libations on the feasts, new moons, and sabbaths, on all the festivals of the house of Israel. He shall offer the sin offerings, cereal offerings, holocausts, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel."

Hebrews 5:5&6 - "In the same way, it was not Messiah who glorified himself in becoming high priest, but rather the one who said to him: "You are my son; this day I have begotten you"; just as he says in another place: "You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek."

levites - off the top of my head

Perhaps it´s only relevant to prophecy - running paralel to the body of Messiah ( Jew and gentile ) is God´s unfolding plan for the Jewish people which is not superceded or forgotten.What about the Malachi verses ( if you like Handel´s Messiah you can sing them ) ...and he ( the messenger of the covenant whom we delight in ) shall purify the sons of Levi that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.
Hmmm.
SARAH in Spain

What about the Levites?

If blood doesn't matter, then why were only the Levites to perform certain duties? Is there a certain 'temperament' that would create a 'spiritual' Levite? Relationship with Hashem is so important, but how does one answer truly say that it carries no weight at all?

What about the Levites?

What about them? Temple sacrifices were fulfilled and then abolished in the completed work of Christ. We are now a nation of kings and priests. If you are a believer in Jesus, then you are a king and a priest. God was very clear in AD 70 that "the form of this age is passing away". "There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, for all are one in Christ". It matters not a whit to God what your physical ancestry is. What matters is your faith in Jesus. He will never restore the temple system of sacrifices. Why go back to the shadow, when the full Light of God has come?

Alec

Temple sacrifices (was..... 'what about the Levites?')

I am not quite sure how you square that view regarding sacrifices with Ezekiel....

Ezekiel's temple is, as far as I can see, still to come and therein, it appears, will be sacrifices, Levite 'servitors' as the JPS translation calls then in 44:11, Shabbat compliance, Feast/Festival celebration etc.

Yeshua's death certainly was the final Sin sacrifice for once and for all, but do not these sections surrounding the future temple seem to suggest that many of the other statutes originally handed down via Moses will be found again in times to come? (It is a bit tricky 'cos Ezekiel actually does mention 'sin sacrifices' as well in ch 45 ..... any thoughts anyone????)

Shalom

David

Temple Sacrifices

The comment made on Ezekiel's Temple by Alec, found under that heading on this site, is undoubtedly 'bang on' - to walk with Our Lord and be a part of that Temple without walls, building today as the river of Life flows, inevitably involves self-sacrifice which is glady made, if not without pain, (certainly not sacrificing other people or animals) by those who truly love him and hold fast in their faith.
Mustard seed

Ezekiel's Temple

Ezekiel's temple was built in the days of Ezra and Nehamiah. The further fulfillment of that vision is the Temple of the body of Christ. It is out of this temple that the river of life is running, getting deeper and deeper and filling the earth with the knowledge of God. We, the ecclessia, the chosen called out ones, are being fit together as stones, of whom Christ is the Chief Cornerstone. The universal, mystical, invisible body of Christ is the end times temple. If another is actually built, it will not be inhabited by the Spirit of God.

Alec

Ezekiel's Temple

Amen, Alec ! The glorious river is flowing from that Temple without walls as the songs of thanksgiving and praise rise up from the very stones. Praise be to God.
Mustard seed

Does it matter about bloodline?

I think I can guess what the Lord would say about this bloodline issue;
Luke 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land,4:26 but unto none of them was Elijah sent, except unto Sarepta, [a city] of Sidon, unto a woman [that was] a widow.
Luke 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed, except Naaman the Syrian. 4:28 And all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath... The Lord makes it fairly clear what He thinks about the flesh and what He thinks about the spirit. There are so many examples I cannot write them from Enoch to Revelation distinguishing between the lost and the saved and the flesh and the spirit, which is the real issue isn't it?

Ron Cash

Agree

I fully agree with you, I find it very disturbing when ppl begin to distinguish b/w Jew & Gentile to me it only shows demonic influence.

We know that Israel (12 tribes and Levites) were the keepers of the Torah and as such YHVH gave them the responsibility to keep His word and after Yahushua I believe to teach and share His word with all creatures (Apostles' mandate). This is still very relevant today.

I believe that after everything Israel has gone through those who are faithful to YHVH and find the Messiah will be blessed. But at the same time as the above scriptures and Isaiah 56 shows bloodline counts less to YHVH than our love and obedience to Him.

God Knows the Bloodline

The issue does become more relevant when you consider the 144,000 Jews, 12,000 from each tribe in Revelation 7.

The odds are that most people have a Jewish ancestor somewhere, because of Solomon, if nothing else.

I have written a paper on this, if you are interested in the subject.

Here is the link: http://www.highlandpc.com/studies/nodanrev7.php

God bless,
Ed

God Knows the Bloodline

I think it is very likely that Jesus' brothers and sisters had children. That could mean that some people alive today are descended from them. Of course we have no idea who they are, but most likely some of them will be middle-eastern people.

But it also means that anyone we meet could be one of those descendents. Isn't that awesome? All the more reason to love and respect other people, and treat them with the same consideration with which we would treat Jesus Himself.

Sanderella

God knows the Bloodline. to Sanderella.

Love your simple and very sensible reasoning ! 'For the greatest of these is Love.' Every blessing to you.
Mustard seed