Good point Rabbi Brinkman, We should be wanting to obey the law for the love of God. I believe we are under grace to learn righteousness using the law as a guide instead of earning righteousness through it. And another good point is, What Old Law? I like the way Enoch coined it, "the eternal law". It is not new or old so much as it is simply eternal, and if we intend to participate in the New Kingdom, we should get started learning to like it now.

Ron Cash
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Hi, I was interested to read the responses to this question. To the first person who advocated keeping all 613 commandments, I think care needs to be exercised when suggesting that, and perhaps interpreting them within their language and culture is a good place to begin. While there are overriding principles that can be seen as God does not change, Malachi 3:6, the specifics in several of them dealt with specific matters such as carrying the tent of meeting in the wilderness, slavery, and instances of genecide. Thanks.
David Russell
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as an ex Jehovah's Witness. i believe that there are more positive arguements for not celebrating "Christmass" and "Easter" than i would here state, since many others have capably done this. However, in this blogg it is the arguement in favour of the Law that i wish to support for the following reasons :
In order for Adam to be created in the image of G-D it would have made sense that he be endowed with amongst other things the Moral Law. for if Adam had not been given the moral law he would have been like the rest of creation a creature of instinct. there would have been nothing to have set him apart from the beasts. not only that; without law there would have been no conscience as to right or wrong but we know that since G-Ds ways are higher than our ways it would have been impossible for G-D to pronounce Adam "very Good" without first imparting to him the knowledge of the Moral Law which had G-D not done; Adam could not have been complete in the "image of G-D. in other words Adam would have been an incomplete creation lacking in the wisdom of his creator. why else would G-D have walked with Adam in the Garden, was his creator just passing the time of day talking about the weather ?

since Transgression is the knowledge of Law it can be argued that the Law had to have existed from the beginning. first, as that which determines the character of the creator. secondly, as Torah. that by means of this both angels and man would conform too to live.

the Apostle Paul says in romans chapter 5 ..." where there is no Law there is no Sin..." but since the whole world of both Jew and Gentile die; paul is actually saying that the reason all men die is because all are under Law. otherwise if we were to argue that the Law was given by Moses only to Israel then why do the Gentiles who were not under the Condemnation of the Law to death.

before the Law of Moses was reintroduced Adam had been given the Moral law so that he as family head of the human race would be its moral instructer G-Ds very mouthpiece on earth. why do i say that? well if the law was only introduced by moses where did Abimelech get his knowledge of the Law of Adultary ? also at Genesis 26 V 5, Issac is told that his Father Abraham " Kept my Laws and my Statutes and my Commandments."

when Israel went into Egyptian captivity they lost the Laws G-D had given them, they had been corrupted and infused with Pagan Doctrines as we see in their worshipp of the Golden Calf. therefore Moses i believe had to re-introduce the Law that would once again magnify them as a people for the Lord.

throughout the NT it is very perplexing to think that Yeshua if he had taught his Apostles intamately into the things of G-D that all 12 should fail to understand that when he said his death would bring the Law to its end, that all the Apostles including Paul should Continue teaching and preaching right up to the time of John the writer of Reveelation the same things, i.e. that the law was not abolished Peter says that " this is how we know that we love God that we keep his Commandments."
Paul says in 1 Cor. 7 V 19, " circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the Law IS"
Yeshua said, " think not that i have come to destroy the Law....for whoever breaks one of these least commands will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever keeps them and teaches men to keep them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5v 17-19.
in revelation after the mark of the beast so this would confirm end times still not yet arrived in chapter 14 v 12 saying that the Saints of G-D are of a particular group of people who have G-Ds own mark upon them which is " Here is the patience of the Saints, they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF G-D, and the FAITH of Yeshua.

i find it incredible that the Apostles could have all collectively mis-interpreted the meaning of what the Messiah was saying even worse to suggest that this mis-information was initiated at the hands G-D almighty who through his agency of the Holy Spirit guided men to pen words G-D breathed of such error.

i personally, can only assume that all the Apostles were consistantly correct in writting what was very much G-D breathed., very much as one would expect from a Divine being that does not lie.
finally, yes, keeping the Law alone will not save you but keeping the law is the works that our Faith manifest as footstep followers of our Messiah Yeshua. that is the point.

as an ex Jehovah's Witness. i believe that there are more positive arguements for not celebrating "Christmass" and "Easter" than i would here state, since many others have capably done this. However, in this blogg it is the arguement in favour of the Law that i wish to support for the following reasons :
In order for Adam to be created in the image of G-D it would have made sense that he be endowed with amongst other things the Moral Law. for if Adam had not been given the moral law he would have been like the rest of creation a creature of instinct. there would have been nothing to have set him apart from the beasts. not only that; without law there would have been no conscience as to right or wrong but we know that since G-Ds ways are higher than our ways it would have been impossible for G-D to pronounce Adam "very Good" without first imparting to him the knowledge of the Moral Law which had G-D not done; Adam could not have been complete in the "image of G-D. in other words Adam would have been an incomplete creation lacking in the wisdom of his creator. why else would G-D have walked with Adam in the Garden, was his creator just passing the time of day talking about the weather ?

since Transgression is the knowledge of Law it can be argued that the Law had to have existed from the beginning. first, as that which determines the character of the creator. secondly, as Torah. that by means of this both angels and man would conform too to live.

the Apostle Paul says in romans chapter 5 ..." where there is no Law there is no Sin..." but since the whole world of both Jew and Gentile die; paul is actually saying that the reason all men die is because all are under Law. otherwise if we were to argue that the Law was given by Moses only to Israel then why do the Gentiles who were not under the Condemnation of the Law to death.

before the Law of Moses was reintroduced Adam had been given the Moral law so that he as family head of the human race would be its moral instructer G-Ds very mouthpiece on earth. why do i say that? well if the law was only introduced by moses where did Abimelech get his knowledge of the Law of Adultary ? also at Genesis 26 V 5, Issac is told that his Father Abraham " Kept my Laws and my Statutes and my Commandments."

when Israel went into Egyptian captivity they lost the Laws G-D had given them, they had been corrupted and infused with Pagan Doctrines as we see in their worshipp of the Golden Calf. therefore Moses i believe had to re-introduce the Law that would once again magnify them as a people for the Lord.

throughout the NT it is very perplexing to think that Yeshua if he had taught his Apostles intamately into the things of G-D that all 12 should fail to understand that when he said his death would bring the Law to its end, that all the Apostles including Paul should Continue teaching and preaching right up to the time of John the writer of Reveelation the same things, i.e. that the law was not abolished Peter says that " this is how we know that we love God that we keep his Commandments."
Paul says in 1 Cor. 7 V 19, " circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the Law IS"
Yeshua said, " think not that i have come to destroy the Law....for whoever breaks one of these least commands will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever keeps them and teaches men to keep them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5v 17-19.
in revelation after the mark of the beast so this would confirm end times still not yet arrived in chapter 14 v 12 saying that the Saints of G-D are of a particular group of people who have G-Ds own mark upon them which is " Here is the patience of the Saints, they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF G-D, and the FAITH of Yeshua.

i find it incredible that the Apostles could have all collectively mis-interpreted the meaning of what the Messiah was saying even worse to suggest that this mis-information was initiated at the hands G-D almighty who through his agency of the Holy Spirit guided men to pen words G-D breathed of such error.

i personally, can only assume that all the Apostles were consistantly correct in writting what was very much G-D breathed., very much as one would expect from a Divine being that does not lie.
finally, yes, keeping the Law alone will not save you but keeping the law is the works that our Faith manifest as footstep followers of our Messiah Yeshua. that is the point.

I JOHN 5:3
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous."

ROMANS 7:12
"the Law is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good."

MATTHEW 23:1-3.
'Then spake Jesus unto the multitude and to his disciples, saying,
"The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. ALL THEREFORE whatsoever they bid you observe, observe and do. But do ye not after their works, for they say, but do not."'

We are either part of "the multitude," or "disciples," or "scribes," or "Pharisees," so Matthew 23:1-3 applies to us all.

We are to "observe and do" what?
Observe and do whatsoever Moses (the Torah/the Law) said to do.

Were the Ten Commandments part of what the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day were saying should be done?
You betcha!

MATTHEW 23: 3b
"But do ye not after their works, for they say, but do not."

We are not to stop doing God's righteous commandments just because our teachers and leaders may not be doing them!

I JOHN 5:3
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments; and his commandments are not grievous."